What are you doing with all your money at this point? I don’t know how to launder money yet. So I’ll go on a road trip, put 150,000inabackpack.That′swhatwillfitin20sinabackpack.Put150kinabackpack.I′vegotasparebedroominCharleston,SouthCarolina.Comehome,takethebackpack,chuckitinthebedroom.150kaweekonthat.Allright,10monthsoutoftheyear.Soalotofmoneycomingin.Andisthatwhereit′ssitting?It′ssittinguntilliterallyonedayIopenupthebedroomdoorandI′mlike,shit,I′vegottodosomethingwiththosebackpacks.SoatthatpointiswhenIstartlearninghowtolaundermoney.IhadabankaccountintheUnitedStates,Canada,Mexico,CaymansthroughoutEuropeanditfinallyendedupintoEstonia,abankcalledBancoLatigo.That′swheremostofthemoneyendedup.Andhowmuchmoneyarewetalkingaboutatthispoint?Howmuchdoyoumanagetomake?About7milliontotaliswhatthatwas.Shadowcrew.Right,butsee,whenIaskedyouwhatyouweredoingwiththemoney,Ididn′texactlymeanyou′reputtingitinbackpacksandthrowingitinaroom.Imean,you′remakingallthismoney.Like,whatgoodisitdoingtoyou?None.None.I′moneofthose.Whatyoufindoutwithmostcybercriminalsisthatmostofthemwillcommitacrime,gettheproceedsofthecrime,liveoffthatandthenitstartstodwindledown,thenbankrollthenextcrime.Yeah.I′moneofthoseguysthatIdidn′tworkthatway.Ikeptdoingitandsavingthemoneyasabigpile.Ilikelookingatabigpileofmoney.Sodidyoueverhaveanyideawhatyoumightdowiththatpileofmoney?Yeah,Iwasgoingtoopenupanightclub.Okay,okay.Yeah,thatwasaprettygoodnightclub.Prettygoodone.Prettygoodone.Andsowhydidn′tyoujustdothatinstead?Becauseyoucouldhavehadanightclubthen.Lookingback,it′stheegothing.Yeah,okay.You′reinitalready.Yeah.Yeah.Idon′twanttogivethatup.No,no.Imean,it′shardtoexpresshowbigofadrawthatis.Yeah.Whenyou′vegoteveryonethat′srelyingonyou.Somydays,Iwasspending14,16hoursadayatacomputer.IonlytooktimeofffromthecomputertogogetmoneyoutofATMs.Right.Soyou′reworkingyourtailoff.Yeah.Yeah.Sothat′swhathappenedatthatpoint.Yeah.Andit′sveryhard.Areyoudrinkingatthispoint?No.I′mgoingtostartdrinkinguntilSusanleaves.Whataboutwomen?No.Isee.Soyou′rejusthavingupbackpacksofmoney.NowIhavetotellyou,onceSusanleaves,Imakeupforthealcoholandthewomenatthatpoint.Allright?Right.Andyou′vegotthecashtobankrollthatnow.I′vegotthecashtobankrollit.SowhenIwasworkingwithSecretService,Iwouldtypicallyspend4,000, 6,000anightatastripclub.I′djustgoinandI′dgivethebartenderawadof20sandsay,howevermanykamikazesthatwillbuy.Andtheywouldputthistabletogetherandthey′dputallthesekamikazesonthat.AndIcalledthatmystrippermagnet.Andwhat′sakamikaze?It′svodkaandIforgotwhatallthisgotinthere,butthegirlslikedit.AndIwoulddrinkthesewhiterushes,whichiswhatIwoulddrinkallthetime.Right.AndsoonceSusanleft,that′swhereyouweregoingatnight,thestripclubs.OnceSusanleaves,Igetdepressed.IfoundoutshewascheatingonmeandIputakeyloggeronhercomputertofinditout.SoIfoundoutshewascheatingonme,foundsomepicturesandeverythingelse.AndshewasasleepinthebedroominCharleston.Iwalkinthereandit′slike10o′clockinthemorning.Iwalkedinthere,Iopenedupthecloset,gotasuitcaseout,startedputtingherclothesinit.Andshewakesup,she′slike,whatareyoudoing?Iwaslike,whereareyougoing?I′mlike,I′mnotgoinganywhere.Youare.I′mlike,I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.I′mnotgoinganywhere.Andsoyou′vebeenmarriedhowlong?Nineyears.Andthat′syourfirstwife?Yeah.Right.Okay.Okay.Okay.Andthisaffairshe′shaving,she′sfoundsomeoneelsethatshewantstobewiththisguy?What′sthescoopwiththat?Yeah,lookingback,whatIthinkactuallyhappenedwas,Ithinkthat′stheonlywayshefiguredshecouldbreakofftherelationship.Right.Becausethatwas,that′salwaysmylineinthesandrightthere.Right.Right.Well,andyousaidyou′dalreadyrenderedherorshe′dalreadybeenrendereddependentaswell.Sosheneededanout.Yeah.Right.Anddidsheknowhowextensiveyouronlinecriminalactivity?Oh,yeah.Yeah,shewaswellawareofit.Okay.Soshe′s...Yeah.Didshehaveanyfamilyoranyoneconnectionsatthatpointstill?Shedid.Andwhathappensis,Iwasapureasshole.IwasplanningontakingherbacktoKentuckythatday,butitwasaweekofmeandhercryingatthehouseandendingtherelationship.Thisisafteryoupat.Yeah.Okay.Afteraweekofdoingthat.AndImean,it′sobviousthattherelationship′sover.AndsoItakeherbacktohermom′sinEasternKentucky.Andthat′sthelasttimeIseeherrightthere.Fromthere,IgobacktoCharleston.I′mwalkingaroundthehousecryingallthetime.RealizedIwasgettingsuicidal.FiguredI′dbetterdosomethingaboutthat.Pickedupthephonebook,wenttopsychology,wenttocriminalpsychology,familywenttosaycriminalpsychologyonthere.Calledthepsychologistcrying.ShetellsmetocomeinandIseeherforaboutfourmonths.Andshewastrying...Itellitinspeeches,butshewastryingtogetmetostopbreakingthelawandgoinrealestate.AndIkepttellingher,isthereadifferencebetweenthetwo?Andwhathappensis,isonenightIgetlonelyandhorny,hadneverbeentoastripclubbefore.Iwaslike,tonight′sthenightIgetlaid.BecauseI′vegotallthismoneytowalkinandI′mtheguythatfallsinlovewiththefirstonethathesees.Yeah.Ohyeah.Yeah.Shewalksby,I′mlike,that′stheoneforme.Moveherinwithme.Howlong?Imoveherinwithmewithineightweeks.Yeah.That′snotwise.Yeah.No,itwasn′t.Andwereyou...Isthatwhenyoustarteddrinking?Istarteddrinkingshortlybeforethat.Uh−huh.Andwereyouintoxicatedwhenyoumadethedecisiontogotothestripclub?Iwasnot.Completelysober.Completelysober.Okay.Andwereyoudrinkingatthestripclubsbythatpoint?No,Iwasonly...Ionlydrink...Atthepointoftime,IonlydrinkWhiteRussians.Anditwasjustabeerbarwasallitwas.Icouldn′tstandbeeratthatpoint.Sowhathappensis,shewalksuptothebarandshe′slike,youwanttobuymeadrink?Well,thedrinksfor25 a pop. I’m like, yeah, what are you drinking for 25?Andfinallyshe′slike,well,wecangointhebackifyoubuyabottleofchampagne.Iwaslike,well,howmuchischampagne?She′slike,bottleofCorbellais400. I’m like, okay. So we go back there and there’s no… I find this out later. A lot of men that go to strip clubs, especially in their 30s plus, they don’t do dances. They just want a bartender. They want somebody to talk to. And that’s what I did with this. I talked to her about three hours that night. That’s it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I come back a week later and ask her out. And she says, yeah, move around with me probably eight weeks after that. Find out she’s addicted to Coke after that. Find out not only addicted to Coke, but prostituting herself to support the habit. And I go off the rails at that point. I get it amazed. Okay, so why were you shocked? I don’t think I was. Yeah, okay. I think that I wanted something and I just was willfully naive at that point. Yeah, well, you know, yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. Well, there’s none so blind as those who will not see, they say. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, you said you were lonesome and it’s easy to look the other way in all sorts of ways. So, right. And so like your plate was clean at that point. She didn’t know I lied to her too. She didn’t know I broke the law. She had no idea about that. I was telling everybody that I knew that I was a fraud consultant and that was a joke for me. Yeah, I consult on fraud. I just don’t tell you on which side of the equation. So what happens is, I get it in my head that I could fix her. And I don’t understand yet. Now you can’t fix other people, Brett. Hell, you can’t fix yourself. Well, yeah, try yourself first and see how far you get with that. So I actually adopted this. I actually said it. I was like, what I’ll do is I’ll spend enough money on her that it will keep her mind off drugs no matter what it takes because I’ve got that kind of bankroll. Well, I’ve spent, I’ve sent most of my money over to Estonia. So I’ve got a bankroll at the house of maybe 200k. It’s fine. All right. She’s got very expensive tastes. At that point in time, my meals, I’d eat at the house, I’d cook at the house. I didn’t spend a lot of money on stuff. It became every single night, you know, 500,000dinnersbecame2,500 purses every weekend, $1,000 Giuseppe Zanotti shoes every weekend, quickly start dwindling down on funds at the same time that shadow crew gets busted. So shadow crew makes that front cover of Forbes and gets busted three, four months later. When that happens, by the time that happens, I’m out of money. Elizabeth stopped using cocaine. Absolutely. She started to substitute it with alcohol. But she stopped using coke and she gets this thing where she doesn’t want me to be away from her. Well, when you’re doing this type of cyber crime, you have to take road trips. You don’t want to shit where you eat. So you want to travel because if you if they find out a central location for you, they’re going to get you. So because Elizabeth didn’t want me to leave any place, I can’t take a road trip. Shadow crew gets busted right as tax season is over. I can’t do tax return fraud in October. So I have to wait until late January, February to start back tax fraud. Shadow crew gets busted. I can’t go into credit theft or anything else all of a sudden. So the only thing that I’m left with is checks running paper. I used to teach people never run paper. You’re going to go to prison for that. It’s easy enough to catch that stuff. I start doing that. Get called.