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Hello everyone We’re facing a bit of a conundrum here with my podcast and at the daily wire in general I have an interview with Kelly J Keane, otherwise known as posy Parker that we want to offer to everyone We’re quite convinced that it will be taken down by YouTube And so what we’ve done is offering we’re offering an edited version on the YouTube platform now If you want to watch the unedited version Then you can go to the daily wire plus or you can go to Spotify or any of the other podcast producers distributors that that haven’t had Such a heavy hand on the forbidden front. 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Yeah, nothing would persuade me I don’t think to to stop because the more people try to stop me the more I think I’m I’m right And I’m on the right path and it has to be done Hello everyone watching and listening Today I have the privilege of speaking with women’s rights activist Kelly J Keane Also known as posy Parker we discuss The co-opting and invading of women’s spaces the hatred jealousy and attraction toward what women naturally possess Which underlines the naturalistic nature of women’s spaces The hatred jealousy and attraction toward what women naturally possess which underlies the transgender movement the rise of false compassion as a means to censor and control what posy Parker aims to accomplish with her let women speak events and how social pressure ideologically captured police and Terrorizing mobs have not and will not silence her Thank you very much for agreeing to talk to me today Kelly J Tell me about the name Parker posy first So when I was expecting one of my babies that was they were two names on a list posy and Parker and so when I Joined an online forum. I just use those as a anonymous name and it stuck But I go with my real name these days. I see Okay, and so do you want to maybe you could let everybody who’s watching listening know a little bit about you And I don’t know much about you I’ve read your you your Wikipedia page and done some background research as well You you sound like quite the monster when you read your Wikipedia page, but it’s a Wikipedia page So, you know that’s that that has to be taken with the requisite grain of salt and we can go through that I mean, it’s quite interesting for example that you’re described as an anti Transgender rights activist that’s pretty convenient for the people who don’t like what you’re saying, right? That you’re an anti transgender rights activist the left You got to give the leftist radicals a certain amount of credit for being able to warp language like nobody’s business So but but who are you and why are you doing what you’re doing? So I am a mother of four and a happily married woman I’ve been with my husband for 25 years and then in 2015 this issue came along I was a full-on labor voting lefty and I joined an online forum of women and then loads of men started populating it and Unlike the women who actually were completely ineffective in their campaigning unlike the men Women weren’t talking about themselves what they looked like they weren’t posting photos but these men did and they were really masculine looking men with wigs and sort of 1980s secretary looks And I just asked one of them one day are you really identify as a woman and the vitriol from him was bad enough But from other women was just astounding And I just thought well, I’m not allowed to talk about this So I want to talk about this and I’m not having anybody telling me that I can’t talk about something so significant and then I just started 2018 I put a billboard up with the dictionary definition of the word woman and that really sort of solidified my place in This movement. Yeah the billboard that was adult human female. Yeah hateful Yeah, well that’s pretty yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you said a couple of things there that I found interesting so that The first was that You asked one of these men who was in this woman’s forum whether or not he identified as a woman and Received a lot of hate and vitriol in response So well first question is do you feel that you crafted your question in a manner that might have invited that sort of response or? What other explanation do you have for it? And then the second thing you said which I think is equally relevant Is that not only did you see receive a lot of vitriol from the person to whom you directed the question? but you received excess vitriol from women and so First of all, let’s inquire into the question that you posed to see if there was anything provocative about it and second I’d like to hear your thoughts on why You have experienced the fact that women are very likely to jump on this particular bandwagon for example and provide Noisy and self-righteous support for The people that you are hypothetically pillory So let’s start with the question. Like do you feel that you asked a fair question and of this of this particular man, I Actually don’t think I asked a question and that’s because my knowledge in 2023 means I think it probably wasn’t provocative enough I think I should have basically not asked the question Do you identify but just told him that he wasn’t a woman and it was insulting to pretend to be one So yeah, I it was the wrong question, but I’ve learned a lot since then as for women, I think I’m supposed to say as a women’s rights campaigner that women are Oppressed under the patriarchy and therefore they’re just trying to struggle to get their place at the table And I don’t think it’s that I think it’s currency and I think the reason women compete in who can be And I think the reason women compete in who can be The quickest to give women’s rights away is because then they have currency of being these really nice people and and I think women are often use psychological warfare and ostracizing and niceness shall we say as a strategy to To win against other women. 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That’s prepare with jordan.com Well two things about that so There is a pattern of antisocial Behavior among women that’s been well documented in the relevant psychiatric research and so antisocial men tend to use to devolve towards physical violence, but antisocial women use gossip malicious slander and reputation savaging And so that’s been documented for decades and that’s the female pattern of antisocial behavior, but you tied it into something You tied it into currency No, and so I want to tell you a little story so I interviewed this very deep religious thinker his name is matthew pageau and he wrote a book called What is it the sacred i’ll remember it momentarily? It’s about genesis and I talked to him about the sin of eve in the in the story of the garden of eden and It’s a sin of pride right it leads to the fall and the sin of pride is that eve proclaims That It’s something like she can even clasp the serpent to her breast the poisonous serpent. So imagine that it is the case that women are caregivers and especially caregivers of infants and that Their ability to provide care is one of their true strengths, but it’s also a potential source of status and so a woman who wants to make a false and prideful status claim Can claim that her maternal embrace is so all-encompassing that even the serpents can be included Right now the next thing of course that happens is adam harkens to her Claim and I think what happens there is that men will enable women by Telling them that their desire to embrace even the poisonous Is laudable and that the social structure which is what adam’s responsible for say in the genesis story the social structure can be modified to Accommodate to their wish of course that precipitates the fall all of that so you said the reason this I brought this up is because you said your Conclusion has been that the women who are defending the indefensible Which would be let’s say the male claim that Femininity femalehood is merely subjective Identification that women are claiming to support that because they want to obtain currency Okay, so why have you become convinced of that and what exactly do you mean by that? I just think it becomes I guess status is part of it, but I think I think everybody does something for self-serving reasons and I think by a process of elimination I can’t think I just can’t think why else A woman would do it and i’ve thought about it a lot You know, i’ve already tried to think like what is in it for someone who says Yeah, your 16 year old daughter can share a space with a man getting addressed You know how how else could it be justified besides some sort of self-serving motive? And I think it just comes to currency that they can they can maybe pretend That they don’t have these feelings which May just be heaps of cognitive dissonance, but I just don’t buy it. I think it’s dishonest I don’t buy it that somebody Who’s experienced any female only space where men have entered and most of us women have And what happens in those moments is we breathe quietly We wait until the threat is gone and we understand it before I can rationalize it I understand it as a threat and I just don’t buy that other women don’t do that. So they must have self-serving motives You said when we first started our discussion that you know several years ago Within the span of a decade you were a card-carrying member of the labor party and that your political ideology was tilting towards the left and I suppose the Classic leftist rejoinder to what you just said was that no you’ve just developed an unreasonable prejudice On behalf of that’s directed towards the poor oppressed marginalized trans men, let’s say the men who are claiming to be women and that all that happened to you was that you reached the limits of your tolerance and that your genuine prejudice was revealed and that you’re Rationalizing the emergence of that prejudice by gaslighting the women who are generally compassionate about the marginalized and the reason i’m formulating the question like this is because You you were or are I I don’t know which um on the left politically and the left historically has been At least in principle campaigning for the rights and the inclusion of the dispossessed and so Look kelly i’ve gone to to washington several times and talked to Democrats in the house and in the senate and I did the same with robert kennedy A lot when I interviewed him recently and I always ask the democrats that I meet the same question and that is when does the left go too far and I i’ve never received an answer to that question No, and they ask me in reverse and I always say well I think they go too far when they push for equity because that’s equality of outcome and that’s complete bloody disaster And their response uniformly is no. No. No, they just mean equality of opportunity Which they most decidedly don’t but you are or are on the left and and maybe we can delve into that a little bit but for some reason you appear to Be proclaiming and do believe that there’s something false about the compassion that’s being manifested At least in this particular case What is that? How do you square that with your original leftist presuppositions? And how do you distinguish? Genuine compassion for the marginalized and and oppressed from whatever it is that you’re objecting to now Well, I think I had a journey shall we say in this x-factor world in which we live Where I realized that I was being lied to about this And then I realized that what underpinned it was a total hatred and dismissive Attitudes to towards women and our fears and the reality of our lives And you know wider and potentially more important, but for me i’m a women’s rights campaigner But also a disregard of the truth In favor of a point of view and ideology some sort of power That’s handed over to these people so It was at that moment then I then have to really question because i’d be a fool if not to Why else do I believe the things I believe and are they true? Do they really exist and the answer I came up with was categorically no, they’re not Is it true that the left is less misogynistic? Absolutely categorically not The trade union movements like when you look at those in the uk, they don’t really care about women’s Workers rights and I don’t mean gender pay gaps or any ethereal kind of concepts that we can discuss in 2023 Whether we agree with them or not and I think you and I are probably closer to agreeing on That it doesn’t really exist But Yeah, it just it just made me think were the left always like this? And I was just stupid and naive or have they really dramatically changed? And I haven’t answered that question fully because maybe I just don’t want to admit that i’ve been stupid most of my life But no, I can’t possibly I don’t think I don’t think women right now with this ideology And nobody really standing up for us. I don’t think we can place our flag in any political camp Well, you know I worked for a leftist political party when I was a kid Well, you know I worked for a leftist political party when I was a kid that was a long time ago from the time I was 14 to the time I was 17 and the I got to know the wife of The leader of the socialist party in my home province of alberta and I liked her a lot she was the librarian from our local junior high school and Me and all the other delinquents used to go out during recess and lunch hour and go hang out in the library and Bother mrs nautley and we did that partly because she treated us like adults and I did it partly because she used to give me things to read and She gave me a lot of great books to read and she was the first person who really introduced me to serious literature and I got to know her and her husband so that kind of gave me privileged access to the stratospheres of the labor party the socialist party the ndp in Canada and I met a lot of the leaders and this was back in 1977 about 77 so a long time ago and You know, I found a lot of them admirable. I thought they were they were often labor leader types You know union types and they had done a fair bit to Give the working class in canada a voice and they emerged out of farmers cooperatives in Saskatchewan and so that seemed to be like a genuine Political movement and a genuine voice for those who were shut out of the political process The conservative party at that time was clearly the party of big business and sort of unashamedly So and the liberal party was in the middle, but the the ndp they had admirable people in them You know, but I watched the activists back then and they really bothered me I thought they were resentful and bitter and whiny and narcissistic And that was eventually why I stopped working with the ndp and that was in 1979, I guess So I would say I don’t think the left has always been Like this You know, I I think that the working class needed a political voice and I think that’s still true now Whether they can find it on the left or not now. I don’t think they can but I don’t think that you were merely blind Your entire life and that the left has always been pathological, but I do think that Compassion is the best camouflage for narcissistic serpents. And so if the left proclaims itself As the party of the oppressed then it opens up the door To being invaded by those who will use claims of compassion to put forward their Narcissistic what would you clamoring and groping for power? And one of the problems with being on the left is that it’s very hard for liberal types to draw boundaries and so you risk you risk being invaded by the real predators and I I really think in some ways that’s what’s happened to the left is that The narcissists have invaded and they now dominate and this is an age-old story, right? This is this is a danger to this has been a danger to organizations since since the dawn of time And it’s certainly happening now. So I don’t think it was a complete existential Catastrophe, you know what you believed but But I do think that that inability to draw distinctions on the left is is is potentially fatal so Where do you find how do you conceptualize yourself now? I I think I pointed out that if you read your wikipedia page then what you are apparently is an Anti-transgender rights activist and that sounds like a pretty damn reprehensible sort of person because I mean here’s these poor marginalized transgender Uh men, let’s say who are just trying to struggle forward, you know, what would you say bravely as? President biden would say and a world hell bent on their oppression and genocide and there you are, you know Opposing their rights. And so what’s your Oh This is horrible thing to ask but what’s your self definition? Oh, I Struggle with it on a daily basis. It’s so fluid. I’m just an adult human female. I’m a mother. I’m a wife. I’m a subject of the United Kingdom. I’m just a person but it’s just so i’m just not having it that that These men are vulnerable like if you feel vulnerable and you don’t want to be Uh, and you you genuinely feel that the world hates you so very much. I don’t know why you put on Women’s clothes to leave the house. I mean, it’s just i’m just not having such a nonsensical silly uh ideology taking over what my spaces look like and the spaces of my daughter So I I call myself a women’s rights activist because I believe that women’s language. I mean so much Uh goes back to that word woman and what it means and who can use it uh, and we are now debating what sex means in the equality act, which is just fundamentally Just ridiculous. We know what sex means and now we’re having to reclarify What it means in law? um in our sort of in our rights act so that women can have spaces and I For me the equality act is a nonsense. Anyway, I i’ll digress slightly on this but for me the equality act is not it just doesn’t make any sense because Surely a proportionate reason and that’s one of the things you need to justify a women-only space or a women-only group is proportionate means well, um If I say I just want women in my group, then that’s proportionate If I said I just wanted women on my board of a company, maybe not so But if I say that I just want a social group that’s women only for women Um, I don’t know why I need to justify keeping a man out who says he’s a woman And then it goes back to the gra and i’m sure we’ll get onto that but I fundamentally think having a legal fiction in this country is is preposterous and has led to all of the fallout we now see um If we were tolerant, we just let these men do what they like call themselves whatever they like Stay out of women’s spaces and just all get on with our days The bible is the root of all wisdom inspiration and spiritual nourishment The hallow app empowers you to explore the bible’s profound teachings and to effortlessly incorporate them into your daily life A great place to start while you deepen your understanding of the bible is to check out father mike schmidt’s bible in a year Available on the hallow app for brief daily readings and reflections Here you can dive into an extensive library of bible reading plans accompanied by insightful reflections and audio guided meditations Whether you’re a seasoned bible reader or just starting your journey hallow provides a platform for you to engage with scripture like never before Studying the bible’s literary brilliance has influenced countless writers poets and artists throughout history by studying the bible yourself You’ll gain a deeper appreciation for the power of storytelling symbolism and metaphor enriching your understanding of literature across different genres The hallow app also helps you connect with a community of like-minded individuals sharing experiences insights and encouragement along the path to spiritual growth Download the app for free at hallow.com You can set reminders and track your progress along the way enrich your education and nurture your mind and soul today Download the hallow app at hallow.com That’s hallow.com Jordan hallow.com slash jordan for an exclusive three-month free trial of all 10 000 plus prayers and meditations So there’s a lot of issues that you just Brought up there. Yes, the the the well I would like I would like if you would to explain for those who are watching and listening a little bit more about the equality act and then maybe we could turn to this issue of I think I think It’s a hatred and jealousy of women similar. It’s a hatred jealousy and attraction To what women hypothetically have that’s part of the what would you say nexus of psychopathology? That’s driving this desire to To uh to tread on the grounds of women’s rights to to appropriate The domain of femininity that’s so this is cultural appropriation in its most fundamental sense Anyways, let’s start with the equality act. Will you bring everybody watching and listening up to speed about that? So there are different characteristics might be disability religion freedom of religion and freedom from religion Sexual orientation gender Assignment So when that started that used to be oh, sorry gender reassignment So that would that used to be transsexuals and what they did is they made it so vague And opaque that they could revise what gender reassignment actually meant so you could be protected To what extent I i’m not actually sure but you can’t be discriminated against for having gender reassignment. Well I think there are element there are points at which it would be inappropriate. For example, um, we do have bra fitters in the uk Who now have got jobs so men who don’t have much surgery who call themselves women now are bra fitters in In large shops, so um, so and you’re skeptical of that I take it There’s nowhere well look i’m i’m a prude british. So there’s very few chances I would take to go and get bra fitting anyway, but certainly if it was a If it was a man I a person I would call a man i.e. an actual man Um, then I wouldn’t do it and also i’ve been you know, i’ve got a teenage daughter You go for a first bra fitting it’s Incredibly embarrassing and to hear a male voice in that space would be horrendous Because as we know girls when they develop through puberty It’s the most embarrassing time and also the time when they most need to fit in with their peers And so those two things are really hideous anyway um, but anyway, I digress so the equality act is a balance of different rights based upon different characteristics, um, and At the moment in the in the um west minster hall debate yesterday Uh, there was a debate on whether or not The equality act when it talks about sex even though we’ve got gender reassignment in the equality act now sex is opposed to According to people mainly on the left Include men who call themselves women which then makes the whole thing pretty damn laughable If sex in our law in our legal system actually means someone who says They’re a particular sex as opposed to someone who is a particular sex And I I just I just think this is where we are. We have a gent for example, we have a gender recognition Um act which means that you can change your gender, but there is no such thing as gender Throughout most of our laws Um that that actually has any definition and it’s the same in the states I should imagine it’s the same in canada where they flooded All of our laws that actually are reliant on biological sex they flooded with the word gender So therefore it becomes mixed up and then you can pretend all along you just meant people who identify as one sex or another so you know for me the equality act is Is a little dated now and I think very confusing anyway, and I think we need to Rip it up and start all over again. Okay. So on the on the bra fitting question, let’s say So why isn’t the proper response to your concerns? Well, it’s the modern age We’ve already dispensed almost all together with men only spaces It’s now time to do the same to female only spaces and maybe the right attitude for you and your daughter is to just get over your prudishness and to accept the fact that People who want to do something Including bra fitting can do it regardless of their sex or their gender So why would you you you appear to reject that proposition? And why why do you think that so? Two questions, I guess why do you think it’s appropriate for you to reject that? claim And and for you and on behalf of your daughter, let’s say and then there’s a thornier question underneath that which is well Under what conditions is discrimination? Which by the way used to mean judgment as well as any any number of other things What are the situations under which discrimination actually becomes? Not only appropriate but say ethically mandated and this is a conversation We haven’t had in our culture for and I would say this is the fault of the left Although the right wingers have enabled it by being so hapless Yeah, we haven’t had a discussion about what constitutes appropriate discrimination for you know since like 1964 It’s a very long time. So first of all, why do you think you’re justified in your Phobia, there we go in your phobia about going to have a bra fitting with a man who claims to be a woman Well, I think I think if society had moved on to a point where women and men were uncomfortable Naked around each other if there was no such thing as sexual assault if there was no such thing It’s like low-level sexual assault which is wireism and indecent exposure Which is an opportunist crime and we know that most of the people that would do that will be men And most of the victims will be women and children So I think in in that regard if that had changed and that had that no longer existed Then maybe I would be open to listening But we know that men and women don’t particularly like to be undressed in front of each other and if you’re in the uk That includes everybody Whatever sex they are. Um, we’re relatively prudish. I’m quite happy to be so But you know, I just I just think with we have naked bodies and we have boundaries around those sort of naked bodies and In situations where women feel more uncomfortable and in a state of undress and and I know that boys feel like that too Around the opposite sex at certain stages of their lives if not all of their lives. And so I think um, that’s why I mean We sort of joke about this question and But we both know that that that question is asked. It’s a it’s a genuine sort of Question from the left when you or from trans activists when you speak about this and my first uh question used to be um, does my 11 year old daughter Have the right to be in a female-only space and not see an adult penis and I would ask that in female-only labor women groups online And I was told no, she’s transphobic. You’re raising a bigot. Why is your daughter staring at genitals? Is she a pervert? You know and and well and and you you know that that’s also a good place to observe as well that that issue of currency that You just described also rears its hideous head at that point It’s like it’s a competition between the women that you’re talking about to see who converts you signal the loudest about their loving kindness And tolerance and that becomes monstrous and devouring when taken beyond a certain point That’s certainly what freud observed for example when he wrote extensively about the eatable complex Because what we’re seeing in the culture right now is the eatable complex gone Mad on a scale that would i’m sure is making freud rotate in his coffin at about 150 You know 150 spins per second