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they abused their authority. They abused the trust that the American people would have in that authority. I just think it’s a very dangerous situation where you have this guy who has to be compromised considering all the pies that his family was in and all the millions of dollars that flowed through to his son and his brother and various other family members. You know, how can Joe Biden not be compromised? Hello everyone watching and listening. Today I’m discussing something truly explosive, I would say, with columnist and writer Miranda Devine. We’re talking about her 2021 book, which should be old news by now but hasn’t been well covered enough to be that. Laptop from hell. Hunter Biden, big tech and the dirty secrets the president tried to hide. We delve into what Hunter Biden inadvertently, unconsciously or purposefully revealed about his family’s business dealings, how they built and maintained the regime, the surreal but comprehensive coverup by the so-called deep state in forced and willing collusion with the legacy and social media companies. And the aftermath. Yeah, we’re not done with that yet. Not just for those directly involved, not just American citizens, but for innocent people all across the world who find themselves in the midst of political, psychological and physical warfare. It’s quite the episode. I thought maybe we’d open up with actually the story of the laptop itself because, and we might want to, might as well walk through this in chronological order. And so Hunter brought three laptops, as I understand it, into this laptop shop. Do you want to pick the story up there? And we’ll wander right through to the point where the New York Post is publishing it. And then it’s, the story isn’t covered. We can set the stage for everyone, just so they remember exactly what’s going on. So do you want to walk us through that story? Sure. So it’s April, 2019 and late at night, Hunter Biden goes into John Paul Mac Isaac’s little computer repair shop in Wilmington. And Hunter’s been at a cigar shop nearby. He smells of booze. And initially John Paul Mac Isaac didn’t recognise him. He just felt a bit of irritation that someone was coming in with three waterlogged laptops right on closing time. And he booked them in and pretty quickly ascertained he couldn’t immediately fix any of them. And then Hunter signed a work order and gave his contact details and went away. And the next day or two, John Paul Mac Isaac is looking at three laptops. He’s figured out one of them, he can just give him a new keyboard, separate keyboard, and that will work. And he figured out something with another one of them. And the third one, he decided he would have to upload the contents onto his big server and then, give the contents to Hunter on a hard drive. He called Hunter and he said, can you come in and bring in, he told him particularly what the hard drive was he wanted. And sure enough, the next day Hunter brings the hard drive that he’d asked him to bring. And John Paul Mac Isaac gives him the other two laptops. One is a write-off, one he’s given him a keyboard with it. And then Hunter goes away and John Paul Mac Isaac continues to, it’s a very slow process. He said to upload all this information because the battery kept on running out on the laptop. So he had to keep on charging it and then restart. And every time he restarted, he would have to look on at the material to see where he was up to. And that was why he sort of had such a kind of intimate understanding of what was on the laptop. And what initially struck him was just, there was so much porn on the laptop. So, I mean, it’s homemade porn. It’s Hunter filming himself having sex with various women, filming himself naked and so on. But John Paul Mac Isaac also noticed, you know, a lot of business documents, invoices, and a company called Burisma, which popped up a lot. So he completed his work and he called Hunter to come pick up his laptop and got no response. He was texting him and emailing him. And he wanted Hunter to pick up his property and to also pay his 1 billion in USAID to the firing of Victor Shokin. And he did that pretty much off his own bat. I mean, it was US policy, State Department policy to clean up corruption in the prosecutor general’s office. Victor Shokin had been brought in just about a year before, actually less than a year before, he’d been brought in in February 2015 as a kind of a clean skin by Poroshenko who was the American backed president of Ukraine to clean things up because there had been a huge scandal with his predecessor. Do you want me to go back into the details of that? Yeah, well, there’s a loose end here, I guess, for me. And that is, well, Trump is being accused of collaborating inappropriately with members of a foreign country, Russia in this case. But we also have at the same time, Biden who’s made reference to this on the world stage, getting a prosecutor fired. My understanding is that that prosecutor was going after Burisma. Have I got that right? Okay, and it’s the same Burisma that Hunter is involved in and that’s paying him a million dollars a year. Yeah, so Burisma was owned by a guy called Slechevsky who was a mini-gark, they call him a billionaire. And it was, but behind Slechevsky was a really odious oligarch called Igor Kolomoisky who would have people’s eyeballs gouged out. But he was, and Slechevsky had been a minister in the previous Yanukovych government which had been sort of Russia aligned and the Americans wanted him out. And I mean, I don’t think it’s controversial or incorrect to say that the CIA was involved in the coup. How much they were involved, whether they nudged or whether they were more involved, who knows but they certainly were involved. And so Yanukovych was thrown out and he’s sort of corrupt as the Ukraine’s the most corrupt country in Europe, one of the most corrupt countries in the world. And all the ministers fled from that government taking billions of dollars of Ukrainian people’s money except for one, a guy called Mikolai Slechevsky who owned Burisma. While he did flee to Russia initially and then to Dubai he was allowed to keep his business, his oil and gas business Burisma and to continue to make money from it. Which I think is a curious point. Everybody, every other person involved with that Yanukovych government was forced out and had to flee, but Slechevsky while he wasn’t allowed back in the country could continue to earn money. And in fact could put Americans like Hunter Biden and his friend Devin Archer onto the board of his company to try and legitimize it and keep the American sweet and to put pressure on Ukrainian authorities not to investigate him. And Victor Shokin was brought in as I said, after a scandal. And the scandal was that his predecessor who ran the prosecutor general’s office, a guy called Yurima had presided over the collapse of a case that had been brought by the British serious fraud squad in conjunction with the FBI against Slechevsky. They had frozen 28, you can be the difference between the life and death of a child. Dial pound 250 and say the keyword baby, or visit preborn.com slash Jordan. All gifts are tax deductible, and you will never regret saving a child’s life. That’s pound 250 baby, or visit preborn.com slash Jordan. Well, you know, you just skipped over something, you know, about five minutes ago saying, you know, oh, well, by the way, this is probably as big a scandal as the Hunter laptop, Hunter Biden laptop itself. And it’s like, well, yeah, I would say so, as the FBI is conspiring with Facebook and Twitter to suppress the story about the president’s son being in cahoots with a Ukrainian energy company three weeks before the election. Yeah, I would say that’s like, that makes Watergate look like nothing, like seriously. Part of the reason I think that this story hasn’t got traction is that there’s so much explosive material in it that you can’t even keep track of it. It’s just one preposterous scandal after another. And now the New York Post got kicked off Twitter entirely, right, wasn’t that the case? I think I got kicked off Twitter around the same time, but you guys were gone from Twitter, right? Now, the New York Post is the oldest newspaper in the United States, if I got that right, very influential newspaper, but Twitter shut you down completely. So let me throw something else in here. So of course, I’ve been watching your country from the outside since I’m a Canadian, and I’ve been watching Trump play the stolen election song for, well, since the election, you know, and I’ve thought a couple of things about that. I thought it was off-brand for him to claim victimization because Trump is the guy who trumps around and says, I always win, and in this case, he didn’t win. And then I’ve talked to many people who’ve been analyzing the court cases where corruption in the election has been alleged and Trump has come out on the losing side of the vast majority of those. And then I think, well, he’s got the details wrong with regards to the election, but he’s got the meta-narrative right. And because I can’t help, and this isn’t, I’m not speaking as a Trump admirer here, by the way, be that as it may, one way or another, his notion that, see, my sense is if the bloody laptop story hadn’t been suppressed, the election wouldn’t have gone the way it went because it was a pretty narrow margin, and this is a pretty vicious story. And so the fact that the FBI conspired with Facebook and Twitter to collapse this story, to limit its reach, and then to attribute it to Russian disinformation, and then to have the security community come out. Now, you detail this in your book, too. There’s dozens of people from the security and intelligence community that come out and say, oh, this is definitely Russian disinformation. And one of the things you point out in your book is they had absolutely no evidence whatsoever to be making that claim. And so now all of a sudden your story disappears and the New York Post is off Twitter, and it’s three weeks before the election, and it’s a very narrow election, and it turns out that Biden wins. It’s like, well, to call that a scandal is to say almost nothing. And it’s no wonder that Trump’s story that the election was stolen resonates with his base, even if it’s not stolen in the detailed way that he describes. There’s certainly something unbelievably rotten going on at the highest possible levels of essentially fascist collusion, right? Government, the presidency, the White House itself, the FBI, the CIA, Facebook, and Twitter, all colluding to take down the New York Post for reporting on the corruption of Hunter Biden. Yeah, you’d kind of think that would be front page story on a place like the New York Times, for example, if it wasn’t corrupt beyond comprehension. Yeah, not just corrupt, but I also wonder, since I’ve been investigating this story, I see the intelligence community as so embedded in social media, in Facebook and Twitter, and manipulating behind the scenes and censoring. It’s not just the Twitter files, it’s this incredible court case called Missouri versus Biden, where the charge is that, and the judges actually did find that the Biden administration is appealing that, but found that the Biden administration, the government was putting enormous pressure on these social media companies to censor anything that went against their narrative. I mean, whether it was on COVID, on vaccines, on the Ukraine war, memes about Jill Biden, anything that was detrimental to the government was verbotian, and the government was holding over these social media companies the threat that the Republicans are into as well, that ought to be followed through on actually, that they would break them up and use section 230, which allows them to escape the normal legal constraints that a normal publisher like the New York Post has. But so that was the threat hanging over them. And you can see- Okay, so let’s delve into that for a second. Okay, so now we have a situation where the president’s office itself has been found in violation of the first amendment and it’s not some direct violation of the first amendment. It’s not some accidental violation. It’s a programmatic repeated violation of the first amendment. And the journalists, let’s say at the New York Times, or at CNN for that matter, MSNBC, aren’t smart enough to understand that a direct assault on the first amendment actually, well, let’s say, threatens their livelihood insofar as they’re actually acting as journalists. So how do you make sense out of the FBI, CIA collusion with the White House? What’s going on with the journalists? Like, this is something that just makes my jaw drop. It’s like of all the things that you would think would light a fire underneath journalists, it would be the assault by politicians on the first amendment. So like, what the hell? Why is this happening? Well, there’s two things there. So on the journalism, my feeling is that if the social media companies are basically controlled by intelligence operatives, so too must be the New York Times and the Washington Post, the so-called prestige brands. They wouldn’t bother with the New York Post, but the New York Times, for instance, is an incredibly powerful entity. It dictates, it sets the agenda for newsrooms across the world. I’ve worked in Australia as a journalist and in Britain, and the New York Times is incredibly influential. And it’s sort of all the news that’s fit to print. If it’s in the New York Times, you can take it to the bank. That has been its brand. And I’ve just seen through the Russia collusion stories and the stories that I have done deep dives on, and particularly the laptop story, that they peddle lies, outright lies. And the Washington Post as well, they do fact checking. When you actually go back and look, the Shokan thing, I know I spent a long time talking about that, but there is layer upon layer of so many lies, and it’s not just lies, it’s documents disappeared internationally. It’s an operation. It’s not just journalists being sloppy or one corrupt journalist. This is a concerted operation, the likes of which you would get from spies. So I don’t know exactly how it works, but a rule of thumb that someone told me is the State Department these days is about 50% CIA. So, and in this various ways, you can tell who’s CIA and who isn’t, and these spies operate as diplomats. So why are they so aligned with the Biden administration? Like I wouldn’t think that necessarily that the natural allies of the security slash intelligence community would necessarily be the left-wing Democrats. So how do you account for that? It’s not really about that. It’s about, well, I mean, partly it may be, but because Washington, they’re all from the swamp, and in Washington, 90% of people vote Democrat. But I think it’s something more, and I think this is why Trump was perceived as an existential threat, because actually, when you look at his presidency, he didn’t do any, he didn’t start any wars, he didn’t do any, he was dangerous. He, you know, the economy was ticking along. There was nothing outrageous he did. He really, for all his rhetoric, he was a pretty conventional conservative, apart from he didn’t buy the Neocon worldview, this sort of imperialist American worldview, where, you know, it’s not only, you know, in 9-11, it was, and I mean, I regret myself. I fell for all of that, and I was all rah-rah for Iraq, which I bitterly regret, and now I’m very cynical about the lies that I was told and bought then, and I hear now, from the same people. And so I think that Trump just didn’t buy into that whole project. It’s America first, it’s more the isolationist streak. And, you know, he would ask NATO, why aren’t you pulling your weight? Why aren’t the Europeans paying for their own military? Why are we having to be the policemen of the world? Why can’t we have a decent relationship with Russia? I mean, he’s just upending, you know, decades of sort of Cold War mentality, which has never gone away. You mean, like he upended the Palestine narrative with regards to the Abraham Accords. Exactly. Right. You know, and all for the good, really. Well, that was something, yes. Fresh thinking there. And so I think that is why he’s an existential threat, because those people who were the deepest of the neocon deep state really loathed him. And you see that in, I mean, the CIA letter by the 51 former intelligence officials is very instructive. That was the letter that was written just a few days after our story came out and was suppressed. And it was designed, we know, to help Joe Biden in the second debate against Donald Trump, in which obviously the laptop from hell is going to come up. And we now know, thanks to the oversight committee, now the Republicans are in control, that that letter was organized by Mike Morell, who had been a former acting CIA director and was on a promise to be Biden’s CIA director. So he had a personal motive. So when you say it was organized, in what way? What does that mean exactly, that letter? So what we also find is that Anthony Blinken, now the secretary of state and a member of Joe Biden’s inner circle, was working for the Biden campaign. He phoned Mike Morell a day or two, or maybe the same day, Morell’s vague on it, that our story came out. And Morell said, oh, he didn’t tell me to write the letter, but he would not have written the letter if he hadn’t had the phone call from Anthony Blinken. And if Anthony Blinken hadn’t sent him a USA Today story, which I have no doubt was ceded by the intelligence community, which said that the laptop was Russian disinformation. And so Mike Morell then set about calling, getting 51 former, most of them CIA people, as some like James Clapper, who’s lied before Congress, not exactly an honest broker. He was also pulled in, but there were five former CIA directors or acting CIA directors who signed that letter. This was a heavy duty letter. And what they said was, well, the message that it sent was that the laptop and our story therefore were Russian disinformation. Right, right. They wrote the letter and they tried to get out of. Now it was very weasely. They used a language like has all the earmarks, which is a weird word. Yeah, right. Of a Russian information operation. They used the weight of their previous high careers in the CIA to basically sign seal and deliver this letter. And Mike Morell says in his emails to other people when he’s trying to recruit them to sign the letter that he wants to get, in fact, he tells John Brennan, former CIA director under Obama, who had a lot to do with the destabilization of Ukraine. He tells John Brennan, I want to give Joe Biden a talking point at the debate, a way to- Oh, how nice of him. Yeah. Well, the thing that struck me is so preposterous about that. So when that broke, I thought, well, that’s a lot of former intelligence officials. And it’s hard to imagine that they’re all colluding. But on the other hand, why in the world would the Russians be so thrilled with Trump? I mean, you had to buy that story, right? You had to believe that Trump was somehow a natural ally of Russia and Putin. And I mean, I know that Trump got along with Putin the same way he got along with the preposterous leader of North Korea, but it certainly didn’t seem to me that there was any evidence to suggest that Trump was the natural ally of Russia. And so you had to buy that to believe that the Russians would be so interested in Trump that they would go to all this work to produce this, complex form of unbelievably sophisticated disinformation in the form of a fake laptop from Hunter dropped off in some no account place in Delaware. I mean, none of that makes any sense unless you attribute like super spy capabilities to some genius on the Russian front, which strikes me as somewhat preposterous. And yet, well, all 51 of these people signed this document. And so everyone thought- So everyone signed it without looking at the laptop, without asking to have a look at the hard drive, without any due diligence. I mean, they had no evidence to say this, none. And they just, they in fact admitted in the letter, they say, you know, from our vast experience, we’ve asked a change, you know, this is exactly, this has the whole earmarks of the Russian information operation. So they abused their authority. They abused the trust that the American people would have in that authority. And, you know, it’s extraordinary to me that they haven’t apologized. They’ve, you know, we have tried numerous times. I’ve tried, you know, I’ve sent emails, I’ve phoned, I’ve called their bosses, I’ve called the think tanks, they’ve, the bosses of the think tanks that they’re aligned to, you know, every which way. We’ve had other reporters do the same thing and there’s just nothing from them. It’s just dead. One guy called David Priest, who was a CIA something or other, he went on Fox News and he said, he’s happy that he did it, you know? It was the right thing to do. By what standard? Because Trump is so evil that every possible weapon used against him is justifiable no matter what? Is that the rationale? Well, that’s the subtext, but no, he had some bogus excuse. I can’t even remember it was so flimsy, but they, you know, and I have spoken to someone who should have signed it, had the credentials to sign it and didn’t sign it because he felt that it just, there was no basis for it. He didn’t wanna be involved in some political, he just saw it as a political hit. And so that would have been, these people are very savvy. I mean, you’d expect them to be. They’re high level CIA analysts and directors. You would expect that they would sniff a rat and know that this was political. Of course they knew, but as you said, they felt there was this sort of, this illness that had, was afflicting the intelligence community and all the formers, which was that Trump is an existential threat. Sure, that’s right. You see that in the reaction of people like Harris, is that Trump is such a threat that no matter, see, it’s so interesting to me to see this happening because it’s happening on multiple fronts. Like we’re told by people continually that we face existential threats that are such that all the normal rules should be upended by moral people. And those normal rules could mean every single one of your constitutional rights, which is of course what happened in the COVID lockdown, which is now a disease that the doctors, according to MSNBC, are having a difficult time distinguishing from the common cold, so that’s kind of a problem. And so we have emergency, emergency, emergency. Climate change. Well, that’s the next one, that’s the next one. It’s like climate change is such an emergency that every right thinking person is terrified into apocalyptic panic. And so you don’t get to fly and you don’t get to have a car and you don’t get to leave your city and you don’t get to eat meat. And well, you know, quote, we get all the power. And of course that has nothing to do with any of this. And so, you know, one of the things that I’ve come to conclude is that if you’re listening to someone who says the crisis is such that your fear justifies my suspension of your civil liberties, then you’re talking not to your ally in crisis and an appropriate leader, but to a tyrant in sheep’s clothing. And this is exactly what’s happening on the Trump front too. It’s like, oh my God, he’s so dangerous, just like climate change and COVID, that anything goes no matter what. Because no matter what we do on our side and we’re the good guys, it can’t be nearly as bad as Trump might do at some unspecified point in the future. It’s like, well, just about enough of this. I mean, the story that you unfold, and I know we touched on the collusion part of it here at the end, it’s right again, FBI, CIA, Facebook, Twitter, conspiring with the Washington Post and the New York Times to subvert what I would say is the story of the biggest political scandal in my lifetime. Like I was around, I was young during the Watergate hearings and the Nixon collapse, and that was nothing compared to this as far as I can tell. First of all, it was, you know, Nixon had his hands in a variety of relatively unseemly places, but not in as spectacularly multi-dimensional manner as this, especially not when you factor in the post-hoc Hunter Biden collusion to silence the people who brought it to public attention. It’s absolutely beyond comprehension. So how has your book done, by the way? How many copies has it sold? It’s done very well. It’s sold in hard cover, 200, like, oh, I can’t remember. I can’t remember. Okay, so it’s in the hundreds of thousands, though? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Right. No, it’s done very well. And then, you know, there’s audio book and e-book has done very well as well. Right. So are there newspapers other than the New York Post that have carried the banner forward in the Biden laptop investigation? Or? No, I mean, there have been obviously Fox News and conservative, you know, online publications, but no, you know, I kept on hoping, because I know that there are, at least I don’t know Washington Post, but I know at the New York Times that there are honest journalists. And some of them have covered aspects of this. And so you get glimmers of truth coming out, but, you know, for instance, it took, it was about, oh, March or April, well after Joe Biden was ensconced in the Oval Office in 2021, that the New York Times finally came out and admitted that, yeah, you know, the laptop was real. Right, right, right. Authenticated some of these emails. That was- Oh, by the way. Oh, by the way, it was the 23rd paragraph of his story that was buried somewhere. Yeah, yeah. And then after that, of course, because the New York Times sets the agenda, Washington Post, everyone else just tripped over themselves to do similar. And they all had this boilerplate paragraph. And it was, there is no evidence that Joe Biden, you know, was involved or knew anything about what was going on. Okay, okay. So let’s go down that, because we’re running out of time here and there’s so much more to cover. We haven’t even covered the details of the business involvement, but let’s do that. Okay, so I’ll play devil’s advocate. So Hunter has been along for the ride with his father, but his father is concerned about him and is keeping an eye on him. And why not, you know, offer him a spot on the jet since it’s sitting there anyways, we get to catch up and, you know, do family things together. And Hunter, I like to have Hunter along in my meetings is he brings another set of eyes to the situation. And if he happens to be doing some business on the side, well, you know, what’s the problem with that? Okay, and I’m arm’s length from that completely. I don’t have a clue what’s going on and I’m certainly not benefiting from this in any financial manner. And so like, what’s the big fuss here, everyone? I’m just being a good father and, you know, opening some doors for my son. Okay, so what’s wrong with that story? What does, how is Joe involved? And what’s the evidence for that as far as you’re concerned? Well, first of all, I mean, this is Joe Biden’s business. This is how he has supported his family in a lavish way, lived in DuPont mansions and, you know, put all his kids through schools and all his nephews and nieces and so on. He’s run an influence peddling operation that his family, first of all his brothers, ran for him out of Delaware. Delaware is a very peculiar state. It’s like the Liechtenstein of America. It has the most opaque corporate laws, you know, rules and practically every corporation in America is headquartered in Delaware. That gives a tiny state, that gives a senator from Delaware this enormous power because he has all these very wealthy companies wanting favors from him. Also, because when he came into the Senate, he was clayed to be molded by the older senators there and they felt sorry for him because he was newly widowed. And so they took him under his wing. He doesn’t like to admit this, but it was the sort of racist, sort of Dixie-crap senators who did that, Democrats. And he got these very highfalutin jobs, powerful jobs. He was for many years chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Therefore, Judiciary Committee had power over who became judges. And also in the Foreign Relations Committee, he was wooed very early on by China. He went over there as a young senator, was taken to the equivalent of Martha’s Vineyard for a weekend and they filled his head with propaganda. He came back and he was so embarrassingly pro-China that the weekly standard had a front page just excoriating him and saying he’s an embarrassment. And Joe Biden, as this very influential head of the Foreign Relations Committee in 2001 was instrumental in getting China into the WTO, which was a disaster for American manufacturing for the very American working class that Joe Biden purports to care about. He was very influential with his reluctant Democrat colleagues. I think the Republicans were into it, but the Democrats weren’t. Bill Clinton wasn’t into it. So that was Joe Biden for all his nonsense and his clownish behavior and his lies and the fact that he’s laughed at by people is sort of harmless to Lee Joe. He did carry a lot of clout and he did make things, get legislation through for those donors, those credit card donors in Delaware that were again to the detriment of the little people. And in return, he got cheap houses and his previous less good houses were bought at an inflated price. As I said, his son got jobs at inflated salary and who knows what else. It worked for him. So he had this influence peddling operation going on. It was in his DNA in Delaware. And then when he became vice president and Hunter now comes into the family business, he was already a lobbyist in Washington. So that was working. And now Joe starts flying him around the world with him, flew him famously to China in 2013 to when Joe was going to China to do America’s important business, like stop China from aggressing in the South China sea, militarizing those islands, stop China stealing America’s intellectual property and so on. And Joe walked away from that meeting with the Chinese CCP leaders with nothing on behalf of America, but Hunter walked away with a 10% stake in a Chinese firm that had two and a half billion dollars. Okay, okay. So let’s focus on that for a minute. So you just laid out three concerns of international importance, particularly in relationship to the US with regard to China. You said Biden came home from that trip empty handed, but his son came home with a substantial business victory. Okay, so now it seems to me, now tell me if I’m wrong. Well, I would say first of all, well, that shouldn’t have happened. Regardless of its legal, regardless of its legality, it’s a clear moral hazard, right? Is that while Biden is negotiating with the Chinese on these important affairs, his son shouldn’t be negotiating business deals on the same trip, especially business deals that benefit the Bidens. Okay, so now how, if you’re a Democrat, how do you argue against that proposition? Like, am I missing something here? How is that not inappropriate? Well, this is how Joe Biden does it. He uses the grief card again. It’s always about, you know, because his oldest son, the apple of his eye, tragically died of brain cancer. That is overlaid. You know, we’re told always that Joe was so devastated that his aides didn’t dare bring up the case about Burisma, for instance, because that was around that time. You know, anytime Joe is in hot water, you just see this throughout his career. They bring up the tragedy of his wife and daughter dying, the tragedy of his son dying later on. And, you know, Joe, when he’s in trouble, I mean, I hate to say this because it sounds so awful. Maybe I am being too cynical, but he will manage to get himself photographed at church, walking through the graveyard with tombstones in the back. Honestly, I don’t want to see that, but I see it. It just pops up. It’s so cynical and awful. I think it must be perhaps just muscle memory for him now. You know, he doesn’t really mean to do it. He just, that’s the way it works. Yeah, well, be careful what you practice. Yes. Right, yeah, right, right. Because, you know, what’s first a plan becomes a habit and then it just becomes second nature. And then you say, well, I didn’t know. It’s like, yeah, you knew once, you just forgot. There’s one more thing I want to delve into, I think, and I think we should take the time to do it. And so, and then of course, I would also like to ask you what you’ve learned since you wrote the book. So maybe we’ll end with that, but can you briefly, relatively briefly, go through the business dealings that you detail in the book? I mean, that takes up like two thirds of the book. I mean, I know we talked about the excess volume of homemade pornography that’s on the laptop, but, and I would say that’s relevant in the moral domain, but not in the political domain. There’s dealings with China, there’s dealings with Russia, there’s dealings with Ukraine, and that’s not all. So do you want to walk through some of that? Well, just hit the highlights, let’s say. That’s mainly it, it’s also Kazakhstan, Romania. The pattern is always the same. It’s these sort of corrupt countries, they would like to have, for whatever reason, it’s either the oligarchs that need the sort of Joe Biden imprimatur so that they can pressure their own governments to stop investigating them. That’s happened in Romania and in Ukraine. In Russia, it’s more there’s an oligarch who paid money to, it was sort of, I think it was a money laundering operation. I mean, it was like $200 million to buy parts of real estate in America. And that was through one of the businesses that actually Devon Archer was organizing, but there was three and a half million dollars that seemed to get skimmed off that and put into an account of Hunter and Devon’s. And so, and it’s just sort of, you know, the Burisma deal, they had a couple of China deals that fell over. There was, there always seemed to be, whenever they were really with very unsavory people, whenever Hunter was, you know, mixing with these unsavory, particularly in China, those people tended to get like arrested or disappear. And I wondered, I thought throughout the laptop, as I thought about it, there always seemed, Hunter seemed to have a guardian angel, you know, he’s Houdini, I mean, he’s still Houdini, watching over him. And of course it would make sense. People have told me that the vice president’s son would have CIA or intelligence anyway, keeping an eye on what he’s doing, especially when he’s a crack addict and, you know, has a hooker problem, that they would be keeping an eye on him and pulling him out of scrapes to save him. And we saw that happening in America, God knows what happened overseas. And one thing I should say is about Joe’s benefiting. I didn’t find a lot on the laptop, but, you know, it’s like being a little bit pregnant. And I’m sure there is more, and this is what James Comer and the oversight committee is looking for and why they’re trying to subpoena Joe Biden’s personal bank records and Hunter’s and the rest of the families. So I found some evidence that Hunter was paying for Joe’s household bills. So there was, you know, painting of his house in Delaware. There was air conditioning, new air conditioning for a cottage on the estate. There was a retaining wall, you know, new shutters. Why is it so relevant, just out of curiosity, that there is documented evidence that Joe directly benefited financially? I mean, there’s overwhelming evidence that Joe’s son, who he travels with, benefited overwhelmingly financially. It’s like, are we supposed to make the presumption that there’s no moral hazard there for the president? That because it’s his son and not him, that means it has absolutely nothing to do with him. I mean, and yet this is a very close knit family that spend a lot of time together and that parade that around to a substantial degree. I mean, I would regard, at least to some degree, a favor done for my son as touching on me in a positive manner, you know? I mean, I’m wondering if I’ve got something wrong there because of course there’s the legal issue and it’s not like that’s irrelevant, but it would seem to me that given that it’s the presidency, that there’s a broader moral hazard issue here too, especially given that we’re at war with Russia because of Ukraine. I mean, that’s not a little thing. The fact that the Biden family was tangled up in Ukraine in all sorts of interesting ways, let’s put it that way, and that we’re now at war and also an extremely expensive war, I might add, where tens of billions of dollars are being dumped into an unbelievably corrupt country with virtually no oversight. Because if you think there’s oversight in Ukraine, there’s something wrong with your head. Everyone’s known forever that that’s a remarkably corrupt country, even by Eastern European standards, which is really saying something. And so why is it that, why is it, do you think, that in order for there to be a real scandal, there has to be absolutely documented evidence that some of the money that was definitely paid to Hunter by foreign agents had to be funneled directly to Joe. Otherwise, he’s completely innocent. We can just go on as if nothing’s happening. That doesn’t strike me as reasonable. Totally agree. I mean, it’s one of the narratives that’s being crafted to protect him. And that is, you know, the White House has changed from Joe saying, you know, I knew nothing about my son’s overseas business dealings to now they’re saying, oh, well, Joe wasn’t in business with his son. This was after Devin Archer testified. And Devin had to be very, very careful because he’s facing jail himself. And he has a lawyer, pro bono lawyer, who’s very close with the Biden. So he had to be careful in what he said. But what he said was that the brand was Joe Biden and that Joe was on the speakerphone with Hunter at least 20 times when they were having these meetings, you know, trying to- Well, if the brand wasn’t Joe Biden, then what the hell was the brand? Because I don’t see any evidence that Hunter Biden had a brand. What the New York Times and the Washington Post, et cetera, want is they saying, oh, there has to be a check with Joe’s name on it signed by a corrupt oligarch for anybody to even open their eyes and say that Joe did something wrong. I mean- Yeah, I don’t think so. That’s not something that the people who are investigating, that’s not a road that the people who are investigating this should walk down. The right road, as far as I can tell, is to say, hey, look, folks, we’re in a really dangerous war with Russia and no one will say we are because we’re all winking and nodding and pretending that it’s Ukraine, but we know what the hell’s going on fundamentally. And there’s some chance that part of the reason that we’re in this war is because things that weren’t exactly straight were going on with the president’s son. Yep. And you know, Victor Shokin- That’s a problem. He blames Joe Biden. For some reason, Obama outsourced foreign policy to Joe Biden. No idea why, but that’s what he did. Joe Biden was the guy standing in the tarmac when Xi Jinping arrived in America. Joe Biden was the guy who went to Ukraine, you know, I don’t know, seven or eight times. And I mean, the Ukrainians even were a bit insulted that Obama didn’t bother ever going to Ukraine. So Victor Shokin blames Joe Biden, the vice president, for Ukraine not being able to defend itself when Russia invaded Crimea. And of course, Russia invaded Crimea as a direct result in retaliation for that, you know, alleged CIA coup that threw out Yanukovych, who was kind of moderately friendly to the Russians, but wasn’t kind of in their pocket. Yanukovych had been talking about doing a deal with Europe, which obviously the Russians didn’t like, and he pulled out of it, and the Russians gave him a big bribe, blah, blah, blah. But the fact is that a lot of Ukrainians, Victor Shokin being one of them, say that they were told at that time, and Poroshenko told Shokin this, that the Americans, and that means Biden, said, look, don’t do anything, we are going to deal with this diplomatically. Well, they didn’t deal with it diplomatically. I don’t know whether, I mean, Bob Gates, the previous, you know, high-ranking Bush and then Obama secretary of defense, said that Joe Biden’s been wrong about every foreign policy issue ever. And I don’t know whether that’s because he’s a bumbling fool or whether it’s because he’s compromised in some fashion. He always puts his own interests first. And so now we have a situation where Russia, we were so demonized, and completely falsely, during the Trump administration, where the whole Russia, Russia, Russia hoax was happening, and people like Adam Schiff, the senior Democrat head of the Intelligence Committee, was boldly saying that Donald Trump was an agent of Vladimir Putin, he was a Russian agent. None of that was true, but it sort of does a job of demonizing Russia in the eyes of the American people. And, you know, I mean, Russia is completely to blame for having invaded Ukraine this time, but Putin would have seen an opportunity, because of course, the last time Joe Biden was in charge of policy for Ukraine, they invaded Crimea and nothing happened. So I just think it’s a very dangerous situation where you have this guy who has to be compromised, considering all the pies that his family was in and all the millions of dollars that flowed through to his son and his brother and various other family members from all these different countries that are our adversaries. You know, how can Joe Biden not be compromised? Well, that’s a good place to end, I would say. We’re gonna do another half an hour, everyone who’s watching and listening, on the Daily Wire Plus platform. I don’t know exactly what I’m gonna talk to Miranda about when we get there, but you can come over there and find out, and for all of you who are watching and listening, you know, thank you very much for that, Miranda. That’s quite the book, Laptop from Hell. For those of you again, who are watching and listening, you might wanna go read that and, you know, draw your own conclusions, because this is, it’s something you should be investigating and thinking about, especially because there’s an election upcoming in, you know, about a year, and it’s gonna be an important one, because things are quite the mess and they could easily get worse, and you might wanna know what the hell’s going on. So let’s sum up, well, what do we see here? Well, Hunter left his laptop very carelessly a week before his father announced his run for presidency. Three waterlogged laptops, just in case one wasn’t enough, and so that’s, three is quite a lot, actually, and then a guy who really had no public exposure at all and no desire for it, caught on to what was on the laptop and tried to get it to the relevant authorities, and that was difficult, as it turned out, even though he went to the press and you’d think they’d be all over it, he finally got Giuliani interested, and Giuliani got the New York Post interested, and then that story broke soon before the previous election date, and then it was shut down, and it was shut down because of fascist collusion between Facebook, Twitter, and the deep state, fundamentally, and it was blamed on Russia collusion, and then 51 former security and intelligence officials wrote a letter stating that this had all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign, even though they’d never seen it, they didn’t investigate it, and that was all a lie, and that was just before the election, which was decided by hair, and after that, Trump claimed that the election was stolen. He claimed it at a level of detail, but I don’t know what a sensible person is supposed to think about the fact that the two biggest social media empires in the world shut down the New York Post story, devastating the Biden family on the grounds of the laptop, that Hunter himself left at a Delaware computer repair shop. That’s where we’re at. All right, we’ll see everybody on the Daily Wire side. Thank you very much, Miranda, much appreciated. [“The Daily Wire Theme”]